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[Prophet Eric]

Greetings Brethren,

As an Elder and Prophet in the Government of God, the grace upon my calling is to judge prophecies, words of knowledge, visions, level 2 and level 3 dreams submitted by the saints in the assemblies. Collectively, the government judges and weighs the validity of these manifold graces by the true pattern of faith that we labor with daily as holy priests in the covenant of Christ.

Following is a level 3 dream submitted by Apostle Jacques from Second 8th Week ministries. In this letter, I shall point out the error of judgment concerning these manifestations, and by what spirit this ministry is now laboring with.

Hope in Him
Submitted by Apostle Jacques on Wed, 03/10/2010 - 18:29

Greetings Beloved in the Lord,

I would like to share with you a dream I received from the Lord.
In this dream I am watching television and there is an advertisement showing, like the ones they are currently showing to advertise the soccer world cup.

The following words were said: “In 2010 the most perfect fruit is going to be made manifest.”

In this dream, we see that word given is not wholesome. Using the terminology, “In the year “2010” is much like the forecasts given by false prophets in the False Religious system. We see slogans used such as in “you will receive more in 2004,” OR “God’s move will be great in 2008”.

The projected word of “Perfect fruit is going be made manifest” is also in error. It suggests that the fruit being birthed by our labor in the true covenant of Christ is not adequate, or is not perfect enough. The entire phrase is very ambiguous; for perfection in its true context conveys completeness and lacks nothing.

How can there be perfection of something that is already complete? Christ’s fruit in our souls is always completely flawless, meaning that it is without defect.

As I continued to reflect on this dream, I experienced how the grace of God continued to draw faith from my heart and how my hope was renewed. We can experience how God is making known and confirming His work in these end times through his prophetic path as He is issuing forth grace and revealing himself unto those who worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.

Here we see the term “Prophetic Path”. There is no such thing as a Prophetic Path in the “Covenant of Christ”. The path that true believers take is the pattern of faith authorized by God. It is His law of Grace and truth being taught by true living apostles of Christ.

There are no separate paths dealing with manifold graces or with the tools of the covenant of Christ. (i.e. the “Preaching Path” or “Teaching Path”). We work with the tools of the covenant altogether as a whole. We do not place one ahead of the other; for they all produce the desired outcome when we labor with them daily. The end result is that we experience the fruit of Christ in our soul, so that we may not be lacking in anything that is His (Christ’s fruit is perfect).

These times we are in are indeed exiting and it is wonderful to see how everything is slotting into place as God is setting the stage for the harvest of souls.

Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Here we see the incorrect interpretation of the scriptures in Romans 8 is being used to validate the coming of the end time harvest.

What Apostle Paul is confirming in these scriptures is not the coming harvest of souls. It is the times of testing, purging of our souls and the contrary conditions (resistance) that we experience daily for our spiritual growth and for the ultimate reward of glorification in the eternal life. These scriptures are not bearing witness to preparation as laborers for the end time harvest. Apostle Jacques is using these scriptures to confirm S8W's "prophetic path." This is a private interpretation of the scriptures, which is forbidden, as we see Apostle Peter bringing out.

“As a farmer sows the seeds and waits for the time of harvest, so does the Lord await the time of harvest of perfect souls so that His work may be fulfilled according to His good pleasure.”

This prophecy lacks grace and truth. We see nothing here that draws faith from the heart to continue to labor with the tools of the covenant for the bearing of the fruit of Christ in the soul. Instead, this is an utterance pointing to the coming harvest of souls, which is event reflection rather than reflection upon Christ and His covenant.

Indeed, if this this post from Jacques actually pertains to the fruit of Christ being birthed in the soul, it is ambiguous. There is no distinction being made and it is not complete, as stated. In this form of prophecy coming from the apostle's office, there should be direction and warning to the sinner, as well as a reward for those who heed the warning.”

Your brother in Christ,
Prophet Eric Seel

[ApostleJ]

Prophet Eric,

Thank you for posting your observations and judgements for this utterance that came from Second 8th Week Ministries and one of their apostles. As God returns the apostles' office to the Church we are also at the same time we are seeing the rising of a dysfunctional apostleship that takes the scriptures and inspirations they receive in a direction that is unwholesome. This will damage the Body of Christ as focus is turned from the original context of Christ and His work of spiritual transformation to other purposes and pursuits.

Let's examine further some points from this post:

1. 2010: It is unwholesome to publish dates in accordance to the ministry of Jesus Christ in the soul. It does not engender peace nor confirm the operation of grace.

2. Most Perfect Fruit: As Prophet Eric brought out, each stage of our growth is acceptable to God as we remained tethered to His vine. When the apostles spoke of 'perfecting fruit' they were speaking of how the fruit of Christ continues to mature into virtue, and ultimately, the praise of the glory of God. However, each state of the fruit carries the fullness of Christ and lacks nothing in representing His authorship and face.

3. Prophetic Path: There is only one path we take in our walk with God and that is the path of righteousness that Christ has established. When the Church is functioning under the stewardship of apostles we can say "apostolic" as in "apostolic government", "apostolic ministry" or "apostolic stewardship." This signifies the wholesome function of the 5 callings of God's government in accordance to the New Covenant order. To return to adjectives such as 'prophetic' is to bring the church back into the ambiguity and competition of the last centuries that created much confusion and fleshly works to sustain.

4. Event reflection in stewardship: True stewardship of the callings of government and the grace of God is observed as the utterances direct the heart into the covenant of Christ for daily functionality with the worship tools of Christ to build the kingdom of God. Reflecting upon events such as 'the harvest', the rapture, the tribulation, etc. in the prophecies do not put the proper focus upon faith for the hearer, and instead of producing faith in the heart it can produce fear, anxiety, restlessness.

5. Prophecies from the Apostles' & Prophets' Office: Level 3 utterances from these offices will always carry Direction, Warning and Reward. They will further draw strong disction between the 2 kingdoms, of God and of darkness, and the houses: the house of Moses vs the house of Christ, or the House of Christ vs the House of Baal (counterfeit Christianity). We see none of these things.

SUMMARY: Many ministries are claiming to have initiated a REVIVAL in their particular region of the world, and use so called 'prophetic utterances' in an attempt to confirm that claim. If we examine these utterances in light of the New Covenant of Jesus Christ and the wholesome expounding of scriptures and stewardship of grace, we can see that they are misdirecting the body of Christ with false reflections.

True revival does not come through the door of a ministry that charges $3,000.00 to receive education in the foundation of truth while offering a few teaser 'free courses'.

True revival does not come through the door of a ministry where a singular man is claiming to be the 'divine steward' and only through him can you be sanctified.

True revival does not come come through the door of a ministry where event reflection becomes the new standard of prophecy rather than the confirmation of Jesus Christ and His work of saving the soul through grace and truth.

Continue to stay strong in the grace of God, continue to keep your feet restricted to the New Covenant commandments and continue to keep your eyes affixed to the cross of Christ and the gaining of His divine nature within you. This is our hope, of His glory, being produced in us each day as we dine on His truth and drink of his grace. This simple yoke of daily worshipping God will bring the reward of His craftsmanship in you and make your soul joyful as it increases in His substance.

"Let all who put their trust in God rejoice for His mercy is abundant to the children of obedience; for His favor compasses them as a shield through grace, supplying liberally the power for sanctification, regeneration and salvation; these have their destiny in the Eternal Sabbath and Light of the Lord."

In Christ,
Apostle JoAnne
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[Carol Skelly]

I want to express how thankful I am for your oversight and direction - defending the integrity of the New Covenant and unmasking error that could easily slip in and damage we who are babes in Christ. Thank you for directing our souls back to the simplicity of our New Covenant priesthood service to God: use of the New Covenant tools authorized for our use, empowered by the Spirit of Christ and sprinkled in the blood of the Lamb. Amen
" Blessed are they who build the House of Christ with the things of Christ, for their safety and confidence lies in the sure reward of the Spirit of Christ: cleansing and transformation of the soul from darkness to light."